So all I can say is I planted these the first year and the second year fruits were crazy. Lots of berries with just 1 year in ground. I also ordered Chester and Triple crown, but these (Natches) seem to love it here in Texas. The other 2 varieties have grown and did not produce much the first year as I expected, I have greater hopes for them this year. But the Natches are producers. More than exceeded expectations for their 1st year. Now on year two, and we shall see. They look good so far, late winter,.Myron L.